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'll cover that with our headliners. senators dick durbin and lindsey graham. plus our powerhouse roundtable. matthew dowd, joe klein, ruth marcus, david sanger of "the new york times" and peggy noonan of "the wall street journal." >>> then ben affleck. >> you saw your parents killed? >> with war breaking out in congo, he's here live on what can be done to stop the fighting. >>> and -- >> i'm jonathan karl, i'm going to show you how this clipper will bring bipartisanship to washington. >>> hello, again. you just saw one small step for bipartisanship, is there more to come in washington? congress is back to work this week. top priority, a deal to block those automatic spending cuts and tax increases now set for january 1st, and some smart money is starting to bet that the president and congress will find a way to avoid that fiscal cliff. stocks up this week in anticipation of a deal with the dow clocking five straight of gains. and black friday consumer spending was down as well. now let's bring in t number one senator dick durbin and top republican lindsey graham. senator, welcome in. senato
as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get it. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> that's troubling to me as well, why she wouldn't have asked, i'm the person that doesn't know anything about this, i'm going on every single show. >> joining me now for our daily fix, chris cizilla, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com and our own nbc capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. well, this was pretty tense. chris, first to you. you've seen a lot of confirmation battles. this really did seem like an escalation, a warning shot. >> maybe they come out of this and say, look, we still kind of disagree with the way this played out but the explanations that ambassador rice gave us helped us understand. instead, what we got coming out of it was, as you p
of hamas through egypt, from senatorred john mccain and graham and others, asking him to urge the stop of the spread of weapons to sinai which is a threat to egypt's national security and sovereignty. a couple days ago senator graham, one of the three senators, threatened president morsi and said unless you take a month positive role here in this exploding situation in the middle east, republicans in congress will cut off united states aid to egypt and the president morsi responded by helping to broker this cease-fire, and now we will see how he will respond to some more of these threats. it is clear that washington, dc is watching the performance of the egyptian president very closely. >>trace: and that was ed henry on the north lawn. and now, a former senior director for middle east affairs at the national security council and currently the managing director of the washington institute. we sometimes are skeptical, but, secretary of state, hillary clinton flies in, egypt signs on and israel signs off, and we have peace. things in the middle do not seem to work that smooth. your take?
. >> reporter: another vocal critic, senator lindsey graham, is still expressing doubts about her but avoided answering whether he would still stand in the way of a rice nomination. >> when she comes over, if she does, there will be a lot of questions asked after her about this event and others. >> reporter: whether the tone is a shift in speaking or more nuanced language, the white house is all ears. >> certainly saw those comments and appreciate them as the president has said and i and others have said, ambassador rice has done an excellent job at the united nations and is highly qualified for any number of positions in the foreign policy arena. >> reporter: does the preside president -- >> i have no announcements. >> reporter: she's widely believed to be at the top of the list to replace secretary of state hillary clinton who's said she will not stay for a second term. ambassador rice came under fire for suggesting the benghazi attack that killed four americans was a spontaneous event. >> what we think transpired in benghazi is opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this
graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't, but the point is historically the people who lose do so because the people in their state have figured that out. >> back to, i think, where you were going a moment ago, bob, it is interesting that when you look at the top two, two of the top republican senators we're talking about who are flirting to break this pledge, break with grover norquist and consider raising taxes on the wealthy they both face re-election in 2014. i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifting a bit here? >> i think so. i mean, to have these two senators who, you know, for the last year or so, even before the 2012 election, people were talking about a possible primary challenge, and to ha
is wrong capping deductions to buy down the debt. >> graham has been saying raising taxes to give politicians more money to continue spending doesn't solve any problem at all. it's not a piece of solving the problem. >> allowing tax cuts to expire generate average of $82.4 billion a year and would run the government for 8.5 days. the reality is similar to what romney laid out in the campaign. my plan is bring down rates and deductions at the same time so revenue stays in. we bring down rates to get people working. >> they are meeting with ceos, caterpillar and goldman sachs and other key players on the fiscal issues. erskine bowles, coauthor of the simpson-bowles plan, they want the business community to hear their ideas after president obama met with ceos two weeks ago. a big deal should include spending cut and reforms. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is reporting that both sides cannot agree on whether they are still talking. >> the republicans suggest fiscal talk hit impasse and demand that president obama show leadership to break it. >> we'll wait on the president
back to 1986. first it was saxby chambliss. now south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. take a listen. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table, we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> and i think that's important what he said there. only if democrats will do entitlements, as some democrats have pushed back on that. they do not think that that should be on the table. as f americans, they believe that there should be a balance between spending cuts and tax increases. about 67%, according to a new cnn/orc poll say that 29% say only spending cuts. and who will get the blame if we don't reach some kind of agreement here? gop clearly gets the brunt of the blame here. 45% say the gop, 34% say president obama, 15% say both. now as congress returns here
of a compromise as we head for the fiscal cliff? senator lindsay graham, one of the latest high-profile republicans that says he will break the longstanding pledge regarding taxes and says he will do it for the country, but only if democrats are willing to make reforms on entitledment programs, medicare and medicaid and social security. that is big if. good morning, hope your turkey was great. martha: good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you've got this. congressman peter king and now senator bob corker say they will ignore the decades old pledge that was signed by 241 house members and senators. he says he believes it is a huge game-changer. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid becoming greece. republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt. we don't generate enough revenue. capping deductions will help generate revenue. raising tack rates will hurt job creation. bill: this is the heart of the matter. stuart varney, host of "varney & company". morning to you, sir? >> this is a real shift. one
cain and lindsey graham, two foreign policy leaders have slammed rice for her initial comments about the source of the libya attacks with mccain threatening to filibuster if he's nominated. many other republicans have joined in. 97 members of the house sent the president a letter monday opposing rice. now president obama is not backing down. the white house has confirmed it's still considering promoting rice and last week the president said if mccain and graham want to go after someone, they should go after him. rice was not exactly a household name during obama's first term. but all this heat from the political players is drawing some media fire. "the new york times" maureen dowd has knocked rice as an unsavvy washington player. while the "times" editorial page came out with an endorsing of the ambassador announcing it's time to leave rice alone. jonathan capehart one of the interesting things about this debate there's a lot of talk about what susan rice has done, specifically about libya, and then there's sort of this vague idea that republicans can stop the president no matter what. take a l
is fascinating to me. basically because, i think the charge against lindsey graham, for example, is unfair, that somehow he's driven by terminal sexism. this is a senator, a republican senator from south carolina, who did vote for the confirmation of elena kagan and for justify sotomayor-- >> brown: you're referring to him coming out against-- >> and threatening this filibust wer john mccain which i think is an irrationalath on their parts. not because presidents have the option and should have the benefit of the doubt on a confirmation to the cabinet. this isn't a judicial lifetime appointment. and i don't senator graham or mccain was publicly vocal when secretary condoleezza rice was nominated for that position, having been national execute adviser, and predicted the arrival of the mushroom cloud because of a nuclear weapons that iraq was then, under saddam hussein, harboring. sthere seems to be a degree of irrationality. the president has now made it a big fight. and we've seen liberal press people come out citing the shortcomings-- personality shortcomings of susan rice. it's sort of a
: for the record, that was senators john mccain and lindsey graham so the question is this grover norquist's last stand? here with an answer is donnie fowler. donnie of course, democratic strategist and great political operative. welcome back into "the war room." is it grover norquist's last stand? >> we can only hope. look, i think republicans should just say sign the pledge for the last election. not for this congress. it expired. there's only 39 of the 40 top senators and republicans -- six are freed. let his people go, grover. let your people go. >> jennifer: he ain't going to let them go. all of this is occurring in the context of the fiscal cliff negotiations and what lindsey graham was suggesting was that if you close some of the loopholes and deductions and revenue goes up, that's not raising taxes apparently grover norquist sees it differently but interestingly enough, there is a push then from the left as well and there are unions that have taken out ads to pressure democratic senators not to compromise. >> h
loopholes. >> lindsey graham is okay with new revenue and willing to cap deductions to get it, but only if democrats agree to reform entitlements like social security and medicare. >> i don't expect the democrats to go for premium ouci do expect them to adjust these entitlement programs before they bankrupt the company. some entilement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator dig durbin, but thinks that social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, smaller things played out long-term that give it solvency. >> and congressman peter king says nobody will get all they want, but if president reagan and speaker o'neill could get a deal, president obama and speaker boehner should as well. >> harris: let's hope that's true. thank you. right now, a child missing, city on edge and volunteers going door-to-door to try to find young dylan. also, no longer a mysteries, but an official cause. we now know why a strip club blew up and more than 40 buildings
. senators john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte say they're even more troubled now after meeting with ambassador rice. the attack on libya on september 11 killed the u.s. ambassador, cries stevens and three other americans. five days later, ambassador rice went on the sunday talk shows and said u.s. officials believed it was a spontaneous reaction to protest over an anti-islam video. not a preplanned terrorist attack. first the controversy was over whether the white house made the change in the talking points. but that's past because intelligence officials say they gave ambassador rice those talking points. today senator graham called the information disconnected from reality. >> not only is the information bad and i'm more convinced than ever that it was bad, it was unjustified to give the scenario as presented by ambassador rice and president obama three weeks before an election. >> shepard: rice said while we wish we had had perfect information, just days after the terrorist attack, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved. neither i nor anyone else in the
cain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayotte criticized explanations rice given in the past and obviously today and on the attack in benghazi the meeting doesn't appear to help smooth away for rice's widely anticipated nomination as secretary of state. here is senator ayotte moments ago ago. >> when you have a position where your ambassador to the united nations you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparations and responsibilities for that job and that is troubling to me. jenna: kelly wright, live in washington with more. kelly, the three senators just held the news briefing which we played a little bit from kelly ayotte. tell us generally what was their response? what sort of reaction they had to what they heard inside that closed-door meeting? >> reporter: let's stay on focus on that because that is really telling. each senator saw the tone being stunned by the information they heard in this closed-door meeting with u.n. ambassador susan rice. they are significantly troubled they say, more than that ever, which means there are more questions than answers as a result o
: senator graham says age adjustment and means testing for medicare and social security is a reasonable thing. but illinois democratic senator dick durbin doesn't want to touch social security. he thinks the new revenue should come from an increase on the tax rates of top earners, which is currently 35%. >> let the rates go up to 39. let us also take a look at the deductions. let's make sure that revenue is an integral part of deficit reduction. from my side of the table, bring entitlement reform into the conversation. social security, set aside, doesn't add to the deficit. when it comes to medicare and medicaid, protect the integrity of the program, but give it solvency for more and more years. >> reporter: a source with engine of knowledge -- with knowledge of the negotiation says there is no date set in stone for the next meeting among the principle negotiate othe timing will depend on the progress of staff member, in the next few days. but we should not be surprised if they get together, sthiem week. shannon. >> shannon: we wish them much luck. thank you. our worst-case scenario, th
is not the problem. the the problem is the president of united states. >> gregg: republican senator lindsay graham joined him calling for answers. he also said ambassador rice deserves another chance to defend herself. you can watch the exclusive interview beginning tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern only on the fox news channel. >> heather: to another developing situation in the mideast. cease-fire could be jeopardized just days after it was put in place. israel reported that it has spotted an iranian ship bound for gaza. a threat that an israeli source would end the cease-fire deal. david lee miller has more from jerusalem. >> reporter: new iranian weapons could be on their way to to gaza for use by militants. an israeli spy satellite spotted cargo being loaded on a ship including rockets. the israeli military is believed to have destroyed much of the stockpiles in gaza during the conflict. the report cites israeli intelligence sources says the weapons shipment will be escorted by an iranian warship. israel says it will destroy any weapons headed to gaza and the cargo ship may contain longer range bal
. we are hearing it did not. lindsey graham, senator mccain and kelly ayotte said they are more concerned than before she came up to capitol hill to offer her explanation, and her changing story, not just her changing story but that of the administration. we are awaiting press secretary jay karen see and a comment on today's meeting. the conventional wisdom is they sent her up there to smooth over the waters before president obama nominates her. but they did not take miss rice's answers too well. >> i want to say i'm more troubled today knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice, because it is certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al-qaida were involved in the attack on the embassy, and clearly the impression that was given and the information given to the american people was wrong. megyn: senator kelly ae ayotte will join us live next hour. this will be her first public interview since she sat down with miss rice this morning. what exactly did ambassador rice say behind closed doors? why is senator yea a yeah at
that suzanne rice made about the consulate in the bill. john mccain and lindsey graham met with rice over her initial comments that she stemmed stage said stemmed from the islamic -- anti-islamic video. palestinian officials say yes arafat remains have been reburied after being exhumed into an investigation progress samples were given to experts from switzerland switzerland, france and russia to determine if he was murdered. the roller-coaster swept off appeared during the superstore will not stay put to professionals are in talks to remove what remains of the ride saying leaving it in the water could be a good tourist attraction. now back to melissa francis and lori rothman. >> what do we know? >> thank you. [laughter] hedge fund founder is not stepping down and things are winding down and the massive hedge fund and save me from that introduction. >> wrote that. it was poetic. >> do we know? here is what we know. with the preliminaries massive insider trading investigation, the big hedge fund trader himself under the spotlight and they always have to get out of the way i am told the is not s
if obama goes forward and decides to nominate rice. >> there is a john mccain and lindsay graham, they have threatened to block her possible nomination. mccain called her comments not very bright. as result he and others are accused of being racist. is questioning her qualifications specifically following her benghazi statements, do you think that is racist? >> democrats have been certainly suggesting that. of course republicans say that is ridiculous. you look at graham and mccain who have been constant critics of the obama administration but you look at center, susan collins who has strongly supported rice in her lowell as u.n. ambassador praised her at her initial confirmation hearing. collins is saying that rice has to answer the question or she won't vote for her. that is major problem for the administration. i think it's a good move by rice she is trying to dial it down. she is willing to meet mccain. the temperature has to come down a little bit in order for her to possibly be nominated. if at this level it will be tough. >> heather: should she still be nominated? >> i think it will
mccain and lindsay graham, john bolton, pat buchanan, state department official, liz cheney and former secretary of state henry kissinger are all here. this is a special edition of on the record. >> four years later almost after the noble peace prize has been awarded where do we stand. in case you haven't heard, bin laden is dead but that is not a foreign policy. there is no coherent foreign policy when we need one. >> we hope something is going to change. >> one of the ramifications of obama presidency the defense is not going to grow. >> the coordinated preplanned against the consulate on september 11th is an outrage. >> it appears to many americans that this administration failed to adequately protect u.s. personnel. >> the president has been skipping his daily intelligence briefings. >> with respect to iran i want to see a diplomatic resolution to the problem. >> the president's iran policy lacks credibility. the question is whether or not is whether the defense budget is big enough to deal with the major crisis and potential challenges around the world. >> as far as the
democratic leader james clyburn said lindsey graham and you have used racial codewords to go after susan rice. take a look. >> senator mccain called her incompetent but he told us sarah palin was a competent person. that should tell you about his judgment. >> your reaction. >> you can't dignify comments like that. i have noticed in this town f they can't win the argument on the merits, they resort to personal attacks. it goes with the territory. >> chris: would you agree to raise taxes as part of a solid compromise to avoid a fiscal cliff. >> i would opposed to raising tax rates but i believe we can close a lot of loopholes. we can do things to e-- in fact, two other things. one, things like like a limit on the amount of deduction of charitable giving. a limit on the amount you can take on your home loan mortgage deduction and obviously we are going to have to look at entitle reform. entitlement. reform is the only way to get the debt and deficit under control. we've got to take it on. >> chris: let me ask you, you say you would consider more revenue but with loopholes -- >> there's so many o
forward three years in 2005 when she was up to be secretary of state, it was lindsey graham who was furious that the democrats were pushing back. it was senator john mccain who were furious that the democrats were pushing back on condoleezza rice to be secretary of state. she was wrong on weapons of mass destruction. how is this different? >> the difference is the scrutiny provided by our free press in this country. condoleezza rice was exposed to withering criticism by the press. i don't see that happening now. maybe i've missed something in the talking points, but i don't see that happening. >> so, let me -- >> the ambassador of the united nations should not have been the person on the sunday shows. >> so you're confusing me there for a moment. when you say the scrutiny on the press -- are you saying five days after comments of weapons of mass destruction, you feel like the media was picking apart condoleezza rice? i don't think that's true, sir. most people say that's not the case. it took a long time. i'm talking about three years before she was up for secretary of state. if
reform, serious reform on the table. republican lindsey graham is willing to put taxes on the table but wants to make sure democrats follow up with entitlements. >> let me salute lindsay graham what he said about revenue and taxes need to be said on his side of the aisle. we need to be honest on our side of the aisle. as we did under bowles-simpson put everything on the table. >> reporter: senator durbin, a top democrat in the senate says put everything on the table. though owe went on he is concerned about changes in medicare that might set off gaps in coverage, senior citizens not getting health care coverage. there you go. they're saying to put everything on the table but when you get in the details that's why they haven't come to a deal because the devil will be in the details, jenna. jenna: maybe they start with a salute and end with a handshake. ed, great to see you report great to see you. jenna: thank you very much. jon: several republican lawmakers are toning down their criticism of u.n. ambassador susan rice and her handling of the deadly attack on the consulate in libya.
strategist boris epstein. richard, i'll begin with you, richard graham has been a hard critic of president obama. they are now hailing the cease-fire deal. they released a statement yesterday praising prime minister benjamin netanyahu for reaching the truce. however, did you notice no mention of president obama or secretary clinton? what do you make of that? >> honestly, that statement was sad and pathetic they cannot take off the partisan blinders at a time like this. and i think what it does is it hurts their credibility going forward in the international stage. they were ones very much on susan rice's back about benghazi and the possibility of her being secretary of state. but they have showed themselves being totally incapable of displaying any objectivity. for them to be praising the muslim brotherhood and palestinians but not their own president and secretary of state who clearly and unmistakably had a big role in bringing this bombing campaign by hamas to an end. that is really not right. and the contrast frankly is what governor christie in new jersey did, president obama stepped u
democratic leader james clyburn said this week, lindsay graham and you have used racial code words to go after susan rice. take a look: >> called her incompetent as well and he told us sarah palin was a competent person, for the vice president of the united states and that tells you a little bit about his judgment. >> chris: your reaction? >> you can't -- you know, dignify comments like that. i notice in this town if they can't win the argument on the merits, then they resort to those kinds of personal attacks. it goes with the territory. >> chris: would you agree to raise taxes as part of a solid compromise to avoid a fiscal cliff. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loop hose, the tax code is this high. we can do plenty of things to eliminate these -- in fact, two other things, one is, things like a limit on the amount of deduction of charitable giving. a limit on the amount you can take on your home loan mortgage deduction. and, obviously, we are going to have to look at entitlement reform. entitlement reform is the only way we
to meet with a number of member of congress. following the meeting, senator lindsay graham and john mccain spoke to others. their comments to reporters are about 10 minutes. >> we had a very candid discussion with ms. rice and the acting director c.i.a., we are troubled by some of the answers we have gotten. there was evidence leading up to the attack on the consulate and the tragic deaths of brave americans and ambassador rice was warned sufficiently. it is clear that the information given to the american people was incorrect when she said it was a spontaneous demonstration that triggered it. it was not. there were many indications that that was not the case, including statements from libyans and other americans. bottom line i'm more concerned than i was before that the explanation about how four americans tide does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was wrong. in realtime it was disconnected from reality. anybody looking at the threats, it would jump out at you that this was an al qaeda storm in the making. i'm disappointed in our intelligence community. i
of her most outspoken critics, republican senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayotte to set the record straight. rice had gone on five sunday talk shows days after the attack and called it a spontaneous demonstration sparked by an antimuslim film and did not mention the link to al qaeda. after all this taking on her critics, the republican senators weren't impressed. >> bottom line, i'm more dist b disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> rice maintains she did nothing wrong. issuing a statement saying we stressed that neither i nor anyone else in the administration intended to mislead the american people at any stage of this process. peter brooks is a former deputy assistant secretary of defense, general wesly clark and, of course, former democratic presidential candidate. senator mccain was asked who do you blame more at this point? ambassador rice or president obama? he says
thing. senator mccain and senator graham certainly have points they'll discus during the nomination process. susan rice is not the nominee to be the next united states secretary of state. and when that process happens, i think the senate will do its job through the constitution and vet that candidate, and that's what they do. >> but this is all about the sunday talk shows she did when she talked about benghazi. "the new york times" reports that second toir clinton was originally asked by the white house to talk about it but frankly was exhausted after a very busy week and said susan rice filled in, she recruited the talking points that were given. are republicans making her a scapegoat? >> i think they want to get to the truth. the one thing i applaud the administration on is they're doing investigations, they want to get to the truth. i think the republicans in the senate are doing their job, too. they want the know the truth. when did the administration know exactly what that was. i think when you trot out something like this was because of a videotape, it raises questions. i thin
as state, you have serious republicans in the u.s. senate like senator mccain and senator graham saying look we need a select committee along the lines of the watergate special committees, aeu to get answers here. we are still not clear. we are ten weeks later. we are still getting the runaway from the very highest officials in the administration. the only way we'll get answers is to have a bi-partisan and bicameral investigation that involves both houses. the senate and the house of representatives. ainsley: the senate just responded don't go after susan rice, go after me. why don't you go after me. what do you make of his timing about all this. >> it's very clear, he's saying i want to nominate susan rice. if you want to filibuster you take me on. i think the president will play chicken with senator graham and senator mccain. there are clearly enough democratic votes in the senate about 55, i think she is confirmable. the question its will there be a filibuster and my guess is ultimately there will not. i think the president will get the secretary of state he wants. that will be regre
at the attacks. today's meetings come after a first round of talks with senators john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte. and those meetings as we first reported to you yesterday did not appear to go very well. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is live in washington with more. >> reporter: thank you, jenna. ambassador rice is meeting two more republicans senators bob corker and susan collins. you're looking at stakeout position on capitol hill. ambassador rice is expected to meet with six senators. if she is nominated as next secretary of state she will need six republicans to vote for her to region the magic number of 60 for confirmation. so far republicans are not convinced. >> yesterday in talking to some of those to whom she talked i'm absolutely convinced in my mind bill, she is part of the cover-up. she knew all the time the cia information that was given to her. >> reporter: senators graham, mccain and ayotte tellingers after yesterday's meeting that the information let them more disturbed and not reassured about rice's benghazi comments that which portrayed the
january 2nd. bill: and fox news alert. we just received a letter from senator lindsey graham. he is asking for more information on the attack on our consulate in libya. i will quote him and letter read i remain concerned that senators have written 13 letters requesting information from your administration, and they remain largely ignored. he goes on to say that it is unfair to the american people and the victims of the benghazi attack to not provide the same level of detail for what i consider a major national security failure. mr. president, you have a duty to the american people to answer the basic questions surrounding the benghazi attacks. the latest, this is sent from capitol hill on the streets the white house on the
that senator mccain and lindsey graham are hypocritically going after her. >> i don't disagree with mark on this level. susan rice was brought in as a pawn. i think that when you are talking about an attack on an ambassador and you have a c can ia annex that came under fire and you have navy seals and airmen that end up dying and you have questions of military strategy and state department issues and so forth, i don't know where the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. even fits that equation. but let me quickly defend the honor of an indent person that mark just slandered. condoleezza rise did not present any information before the body of the u.n. that was done by general colin foul when he was -- r -- colin powell when he was secretary of state. >> you could say she was a pawn. but she has an impeccable record at the u.n. >> she gave false information to five national talk shows. >> she has some of the most stringent sanctions against north korea, iran and the most international defense our ally israel has drummed up in wong support for america's fight against terrorism. >> she gave provable f
this after he was reelected. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi, and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence she had received and to hurt her reputation is outrageous. >> the day before thanksgiving, susan rice spoke up in defense of herself. >> when discussing the attacks against our facilities in benghazi, i relied solely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary and that our investigations would give us the definitive answers. >> republicans appear to show no sign of moving on setting up what is likely to be a vicious confirmation battle. steve cohen is back with us from tennessee along with my colleague from the nation magazine, more known as my boss. security reporter for news week and the daily beast. heather is still here. eli, you have done a lot of reporting on benghazi, on the intelligence. i am genuin
this issue after he was re-elected. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador, who had nothing to do with benghazi, and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received, and to besmirch her reputation is outrageous. >> susan rice spoke up in defense of herself the day before thanksgiving. >> when discussing the attacks against our facilities in benghazi, i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary, and that our investigations would give us the definitive answers. >> republicans appear to show no sign of moving on, setting up what is likely to be a vicious confirmation table. all right, yi'm not trying to - i'm being honest here, i don't quite get the susan rice focus. you can say, diplomatic security services, the people that turned down the funding request, you can say hillary clinton at the state department
to the idea of higher taxes broadly. we heard over the weekend senator lindsey graham, congressman peter king, joining in --. megyn: but they're talking about closing loopholes and deductions that is what romney ran on and it has been republican position for a while. >> they just discovered it. where were they when the republican standard-bearer needed that support? there is lack of intellectual integrity surrounding this entire issue. if they had any shame in washington, d.c. they would be embarassed. >> they are political animals. they have to think what is sellable to their constituents. when the simpson-bowles debt commission got together and we have to tackle the debt and it will kill us all, they said, what if we raised the age of social security retirement one year. went to 68. did it in 30 years. not going to do it right now, 30 years. dick durbin, wanted that. i will sign onto that, a democrat. we don't have the time. we have a dick durbin sound bite. dick durbin said that. he was in favor of that. >> i can't stand it. we're losing dick durbin sound bite. megyn: time is short. the po
attacks on u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. after the meeting, senator john mccain, lindsey graham and ayotte spoke with reporters. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible] >> they are significantly troubled -- [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] libya as well as other americans . [inaudible] >> i'm more disturbed now than it was before -- [inaudible] [inaudible] -- an al qaeda storm in the making. i'm very disappointed in our intelligence community. i think they failed in many ways. with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode is related to the video they created a mob that turned into a riot was far filled. at the end of the day we're going to get to the bottom of this, we have to have a system we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just so you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give that information. here's what i can tell you. the american people got that information on 16 september. think about information from president obama days after. and th
mccain and lindsey graham in the senate, and you have folks in the house who -- which is run by republicans -- who want more answers. it's really going to be almost a political fight as to how far we go with in the benghazi investigation, because it's very clearly most democrats with the exception of dianne feinstein from california who runs the intelligence committee in the senate, most of them are ready to push this thing aside and get on to other things in congress. rick: what if it was spin? i've heard democrats say even if the administration was trying to put a positive spin on a story that would look bad for them leading up to an election day, how is this any different from spinning jobless numbers, from spinning the health care debate? leading up to an election, both sides were doing so much spinning. >> i think spinning and national security are, a whole other issue. four dead americans, the first ambassador killed in three decades, and what really looks less like spin and almost in the eyes of some republicans and only critics a cover-up, a cover-up of incompetence a
, senator lindsey graham, and ranking member john mccain spoke to reporters. u.n. ambassador rice is expected to meet with more individual lawmakers later this book. their briefing with reporters is about 10 minutes. >> we have had a very candid discussion about dr. rice and deputy director of the c.i.a. where significantly troubled by many of the answers we got and some we didn't get. evidence that it's overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate, the tragic death of the brave americans, and whether ambassador rice was informed sufficiently in order to give the american people a correct depiction of the events that took place. it is clear that the information that she gave the american people was incorrect. what she said it was a spontaneous demonstration triggered by a hate grouple of it is not. there was clearly evidence at the time that was certainly not the case. including statements by libyans as well as other americans. people don't bring mortars and rocket propelled grenades to spontaneous demonstrations. >> i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 s
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